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Books and Baptisms

December 1, 2009

This month, Matt and Shaun talk about upcoming interviews, discuss some of their latest reads (see links below) and answer your questions on various forms of baptism.

Upcoming podcasts: Beginning next year, we’ll be interviewing Jim Belcher on his recent book, Deep Church; Jason Stellman on his book, Dual Citizens; and Jack Kinneer about Two Kingdom theology.  Please feel free to leave questions you’d like us to ask in the comments below.  Also, this book and these posts by Michael Horton are helpful preparation for understanding the Two Kingdom discussion. (Thanks, Justin)

Books we recommend:
Counterfeit Gods by Tim Keller
Christ Centered Worship by Bryan Chapell
A Praying Life by Paul Miller
Christ and Culture Revisited by Don Carson

Be sure and leave your comments and questions, including those for our upcoming guests.  As always, thanks for listening!  We pray this podcast has been beneficial in your pursuit of God through His ordinary means.

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4 Comments leave one →
  1. Ashwin permalink
    December 1, 2009 11:07 pm

    Hi guys, thanks for responding to my questions! But Shaun, please don’t equate my position with the LDS’! Actually I found the term “convert baptism” in the book “Baptism: Three Views.” Anthony N.S. Lane uses it to describe what the book also calls dual-practice baptism.

    I think the point of my second question was actually whether you can baptize someone who does not understand proclamation of the Word. But your podcast regarding authority of the father in the home seemed to clarify matters in my mind. Okay, that’s not entirely true. There’s still a lot to consider on this topic.

    One thing you might want to look at in a future episode is that credobaptism does not mean the same thing today as it did during the Reformation, so potentially you have another position to consider (and this Reformation view, as I understand it, more closely resembles the position of Reformed Baptists today). The guys on “Christ the Center” discussed this in a recent episode entitled, “Credo-Baptism during the Reformation.”

    • ordinarymeans permalink*
      December 1, 2009 11:50 pm

      @Ashwin You are welcome. I have the three views book on my “short list”, so I’ll take a look at it…shortly. Definitely a lot to consider. That is one of the reasons I stress that churches not divide their congregation on this issue. I strongly suspect we are all in for some clarification on the last day. Even Calvin. (Did I just say that out loud?)

  2. Tim H. permalink
    December 8, 2009 10:36 pm


    I appreciated your discussion of how Keller doesn’t seem to have the “prophetic stance” of preaching. I have wrestled with this one a lot as such a preaching style sometimes comes across to me as the Word preached not being taken seriously enough.

    However, I’ve been struck by Matthew Henry’s comment on the “We sang a dirge for you and you did not mourn” passage in Matthew 11:

    Now our Lord Jesus, by his freedom, did not at all condemn John, any more than John did condemn him, though their deportment was so very different. Note, Though we are never so clear in the goodness of our own practice, yet we must not judge of others by it. There may be a great diversity of operations, where it is the same God that worketh all in all (1 Cor. xii. 6), and this various manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal, v. 7. Observe especially, that God’s ministers are variously gifted: the ability and genius of some lie one way, of others, another way: some are Boanerges—sons of thunder; others, Barnabeses—sons of consolation; yet all these worketh that one and the self-same Spirit (1 Cor. xii. 11), and therefore we ought not to condemn either, but to praise both, and praise God for both, who thus tries various ways of dealing with persons of various tempers, that sinners may be either made pliable or left inexcusable, so that, whatever the issue is, God will be glorified.


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